Once more we are going to test a tipping service. This time it is Dreamlays which many readers of this blog has asked to be tested and reviewed. I can understand that people are interested in this service when I see the results published on their website.
OCTOBER 2008 + £1,310.00
SEPTEMBER 2008 + £1,787.00
AUGUST 2008 + £1,956.00
JULY 2008 + £2,209.00
JUNE 2008 + £3,042.00
MAY 2008 + £1,528.00
APRIL 2008 + £2,842.00
MARCH 2008 + £3,558.00
FEBRUARY 2008 + £1,894.00
JANUARY 2008 + £2,632.00
DECEMBER 2007 + £832.00
NOVEMBER 2007 + £1,553.00
OCTOBER 2007 + £1,914.00
SEPTEMBER 2007 + £1,556.00
AUGUST 2007 + £2,159.00
JULY 2007 + £1,774.00
JUNE 2007 + £2,627.00
MAY 2007 + £2,012.00
APRIL 2007 + £2,538.00
PROFIT + £39,723.00
Dremlays are a laying tipster service which has some very amazing results quoted on their website (see above). All the results are quoted at Betfair SP and 5% commission is taken into account. This makes it very interesting since 99% of tipsters always quote to the much lower SP prices where almost any lay system generates a profit.
I’m going to run a test of Dreamlays for some time to check if the results posted are genuine and to get a feel on how Dreamlays are working.
If anyone else has tried Dreamlays then feel free to post your comments and experience with Dreamlays so we all can hear about them.
The test of Dreamlays will start 20th October and results will be updated every day I’m at the computer. We will also use Betfair SP and 5% commission.
DREAMLAYS REVIEW FIRST UPDATE 1. Dec 2008
We have now been testing Dreamlays for some time and it has been quite a rollercoaster ride with ups and downs. We are almost back where we started after a very bad start for the test.
It’s of course a very short test periode so only the future will tell how it goes. My oppinion is to wait joining this service untill it has proven it self for some longer time. I would not put too much into all the positive results quoted from before 14th November. The reason is that there are absolutely no proof for these results, I have asked for screenshots but they said it was too private to send me even though it’s quite easy to take the “private” parts out. Of course the first losing month comes when they start proofing 
I have listed the good and bad things about this service so you can see what I believe is good and bad.
Positive things
* They now proof their selections to independent sites so we can easily monitor the results
* They came back after a very very bad start
* Quite good customer service
Negative things
* They quote many months of results without being able (wanting) to verify them
* The test did not show any profits
* Many selections every day (it’s hard to lay many selections with an advantage)
* You have to sit in front of your PC to follow the rules 100%
UPDATE 4TH FEBRUARY 2009:
I have decided to put this tipster service in the NOT RECOMMENDED folder. December and January was also 2 very bad months for Dreamlays. Since this system has gone live it has delivered very bad results and you really can’t place any emphasis on the months of results where it has not been proofed.
UPDATE 27th OF APRIL
The amazing thing has happened. Dreamlays has actually reached profit again since they started proofing to racing-index. The run has been quite amazing and I will continue to monitor the progress. I have changed Dreamlays to NEUTRAL status since I believe it’s worth to monitor their results which are quite amazing at the moment. If these continues then I will have to eat my words from 4th February.
Test of Dreamlays (Results underneath)
We will proof the recommended way, which means we monitor the regular SP around race start and make sure that this is under odds 3.75
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20th October
2:30 Windsor Kheleyf´s Silver odds 4.60 we lost 360
2:40 Pontefract Speedy Guru odds 6.20 (too high odds – would have lost us money)
3:20 Plumpton Ashwell Lad odds 14.59 (too high odds – would have won us money)
3:40 Pontefract Mishrif odds 3.85 (we won 95)
4:00 Windsor Jaadull odds 5.12 (too high odds – would have won us money)
4:10 Pontefract Miss Serena odds 8.65 (too high odds – would have won us money)
5:00 Windsor Orange River odds 7.20 (too high oods would have won us money)
Daily profit/loss MONITORED: -265
21st October
Another bad day for Dreamlays. However the good part is to see that they quote the same results as we get, and that it is normal to have some bad days. Let’s hope it turns around tomorrow
1:50 Yarmouth Watercolours odds 6.80 (too high odds – would have won us money)
2:30 Lingfield Piccolo Mondo odds 5.48 (too high odds – would have won us money)
3:20 Yarmouth Mykingdomforahorse odds 4 (we lost 300 – regular SP 3.75)
3:30 Lingfield Battle odds 4.42 (we won 95 – Regular SP 3.75)
3:50 Yarmouth Take The Hint odds 4.90 (too high odds – would have lost us money)
4:00 Lingfield Louphole odds 7.31 (too high odds – would have won us money)
4:10 Exeter Dalyan Dancer Non runner
4:20 Yarmouth Sabre Light odds 7 (too high odds – would have won us money)
Daily profit/loss MONITORED: -205
22nd October
One more bad day. One thing to consider is to back all the horses to place!!! Most of the runners that we win on has ended 2nd so far Let’s hope it is just a very bad run we have started in and that it will get back to performing again. Good that the maximum lay odds rule was applied otherwise the day has been a lot worse. It also looks like it’s better to set Maximum Betfair SP to 4.20 than monitoring the regular SP.
2:00 Bath Lasso The Moon odds 1.97 we won 95
2:10 Great Leighs Hall Hee odds 5.54 (regular SP 4) too high odds = no bet. Would have lost us money
2:30 Bath Mehendi odds 4 (regular sp 3.75) we won 95
2:40 Great Leighs Wajaha odds 1.94 we lost 94
3:10 Great Leighs Beat The Bell odds 5.36 (regular SP 3.75) we lost 436
3:30 Bath Kyllachy Storm odds 4.90 (regular sp 4.50) too high odds. Would have lost us money
3:40 Great Leighs Diriculous odds 5.52 (reular sp 4.50) too high odds – would have won us money
4:00 Bath Surrealism odds 2.38 we lost 138
4:10 Great Leighs Suzi Spends odds 3.80 (regular sp 3.50) we won 95
4:30 Bath Rutba odds 4.64 (regular sp 4) too high odds – would have lost us money
4:40 Great Leighs Intabih odds 2.62 we lost 162
5:00 Bath Mistress Eva odds 11.67 Too high odds – would have won us money
5:30 Bath Effigy odds 4.46 too high odds – would have won us money
5:30 Bath Barkass odds 4.10 (regular sp 4) too high odds – would have won us money
5:50 Kempton Celtic Rebel odds 3.55 we won 95
6:20 Kempton Spic ´n Span odds 6.20 too high odds – would have won us money
6:20 Kempton Musical Script odds 4.30 (regular sp 4) too high odds – would have lost us money
7:50 Kempton George Rex odds 18 too high odds – would have won us money
8:20 Kempton Otaared odds 2.96 we won 95
8:50 Kempton Margot Mine odds 3.83 (regular sp 3) we won 95
9:20 Kempton Golden Brown odds 5.23 too high odds – would have won us money
Total daily profit / loss: -260
23rd October
Rocker odds 5 we won 95
Braddock odds 3.20 we won 95
Timeteam odds 2.61 we lost 161
Rublevka Star odds 2.92 we lost 192
Dareh odds 3.80 we won 95
Silk Hall odds 2.59 we lost 159
Pension Policy odds 3.30 we won 95
Total daily profit/loss: -132
24th October
Nemorose odds 4 we won 95
Keenes day odds 2.38 we lost 138
Total daily profit / loss: -43
25th October
Finaly a good day with a nice large profit. Let’s hope we now see a turning point and soon gets into profit again
Kings Destiny odds 2.85 we won 95
Definightly odds 3.77 we lost 277
Nampour odds 3.58 we lost 258
Ask odds 1.71 we won 95
Masterofthehorse odds 4.21 we won 95
Club Tahiti odds 4.50 we won 95
Voice Coach odds 4.10 we won 95
Ingratitude odds 4.38 we won 95
Gasat odds 3.98 we won 95
Diddums odds 1.93 we won 95
Importer odds 3.21 we won 95
Alfie Tupper odds 3.95 we won 95
Total daily profit / loss: +415
26th October
No lays today
27th October
Once more a high priced selection won and made this a neutral day. It seems so far that it would be much better to set a Betfair SP of 4.20 instead of a maximum regular SP at 11/4. But I trust that the authors of the service knows better since they have much more results to draw conclusions from, and our small test is of course not long enough to draw these conclusions.
Remember Ramon odds 2.74 we won 95
It’s a man world odds 3.41 we won 95
son of the cat odds 2.87 we won 95
Falcativ odds odds 2.43 we lost 143
Party frock odds 3.74 we won 95
Master rooney odds 4.38 we lost 338
Hallingdal odds 3.05 we won 95
Total profit / loss for today: -6
28th October
Now it’s starting to go the right way. Most of our previous loss has now been won back. Let’s hope it continues
Bold Bobby Be odds 3.62 we won 95
My Gacho odds 3.55 we won 95
Dark Prospect odds 3.80 we won 95
Total profit / loss for today: +285
29th October – 8 November
I was on vacation so too much work to write in all selections and results. It was a very good week with a very good profit so we are now in the black again and over the very bad start. Please remember that all selections are proofed to Racing-index at Betfair SP so you would be able to get the excact same results.
Looking very good so far, let’s hope it continues
9th november
Thievery odds 2.05 we lost 105
Greenisland odds 4 we lost 300
Inquest odds 3.70 we won 95
Total profit / loss for today: -310
10th November
Kinigi odds 2.95 we lost 195
Hawks eye odds 3.93 we won 95
Dart odds 3.95 we lost 295
12 November
Micheal flips odds 2.42 we won 95
Veloso odds 3.10 we won 95
Carrick oscar odds 3.05 we won 95
Kimono my house odds 2.64 we won 95
Grand palace odds 3.70 we lost 270
13 November
alonso de guzman odds 2.87 we won 95
megasecret odds 1.96 we won 95
Suzi spends odds 4.16 we lost 316
Picot de say odds 3.30 we lost 230
Belated silver odds 3.88 we lost 288
Pivka odds 1.77 we lost 77
weybridge light odds 3.85 we lost 285
mahadee odds 3.96 we lost 296
14th November
Tender Process odds 4.35 we won 95.00
Bolodenka odds 3.50 we lost 250.00
Mozayada odds 1.93 we lost 93.00
Herecomesthetruth odds 2.06 we won 95.00
Yirga odds 3.60 we won 95.00
Multakka odds 3.48 we won 95.00
Commander Cave odds 4.39 we lost 339
15th November
Cape Tribulation odds 3.01 we lost 201.00
Precious Secret odds 3.75 we won 95.00
Big Fella Thanks 2.40 we won 95.00
Drever Route 2.87 we won 95.00
Emirates Sports 3.46 we lost 246.00
Invincible Heart 2.63 we won 95.00
Rainbow Seeker 3.45 we won 95.00
Petrovsky 3.48 we won 95.00
Ballet Dancer 2.11 we won 95.00
Mootriba 2.82 we won 95.00
Banknote 2.29 we won 95.00
Plush Lay 2.33 we lost 133.00
Nemorosa 4.88 we won 95.00
Dome Rocket 3.59 we won 95.00
16th November
Straw Bear 4.96 we won 95.00
Pascha Bere 4.40 we won 95.00
Diamond Harry 2.88 we lost 188.00
Express Leader 3.84 we won 95.00
17 November
Absa lutte odds 4.88 we won 95
Mattaking odds 4.22 we won 95
Arganil odds 3.75 we lost 275
dart odds 2.88 we won 95
Eastern gift odds 3.87 we lost 287
18th November
Cut an dthrist odds 3.85 we won 95
Starluckodds 2.85 we lost 185
Spring dream odds 1.97 we lost 97
Topjeu odds 3.40 we won 95
summer lodge odds 3.75 we won 95
19th November
Rivington pike we won 95
twelve paces we won 95
neuchatel we won 95
plush we won 95
yab adee odds 2.14 we lost 114
bonus we won 95
silaah we won 95
A very good day. Maybe Dreamlays have ended their bad sequence so we soon can see some black numbers again.
20th November
Syncopated odds 3.35 we lost 235
Fast freddie odds 3.10 we won 95
Bluejain odds 4.58 we won 95
21 – 23rd November (23 included)
18 selections – 13 wins 5 loss
profit +322 for these days in total (sorry for not posting all the selections but don’t have time, and the results are the most important)
24th November
Lord Chancelor odds 3.45 we won 95
Risque Heights odds 3.09 we won 95
Finally in profits again. Let’s hope it continues the good run
25th November
Jilly why odds 4.40 we won 95
Efisio princess odds 3.35 we won 95
26th November
9 selections. 5 winners and 4 losers 
loss for today -492
27th November
8 selections. loss for the day – 439
28 – 30th November (30th included)
Profit +374
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Total profit/loss: -207
UPDATE 4th FEBRUARY 2009: December and January was also 2 losing months.
Dreamlays say “No bet over 11/4″ but take a look atthe results. There are lots of winning bets over 3.00 and over 4.00.
11/4 is odds 3.75
They write that the REGULAR SP should be under this odds. This means that the Betfair SP easily can be 4 or more since that is most times higher. When you become a member you will see this written on their website, so really no need to punish them for that one
I have asked about this issue earlier and will adress it more tommorow
Well, for those that don’t have the time to monitor the sp before the off, dreamlays advices BSP limit to 4.2 and for a bank of 2500 euros, 50 euros per lay is good.
Dont be picky 4.00 is 3/1 whats a qauter of a point.
If you want to very fi thier results go to Lads and you will see all results match, we will soon see from admin this week any way lets hope it’s good news. yours Robert.
Really, really interested in this test! I hope you guys are able to update often… I’m sure many of us will be watching with anticipation.
Thanks!
My plan was just to test it with a maximum Betfair SP of 4.20 as recommended by the authors if you don’t want to spen time monitoring each race.
However, this would give different results from the ones posted on their website and already the first day would have turned out a profit and many people would probably say that we have cheated.
Therefore in all honesty we will keep results for both methods.
Savvas => How long time have you been a member?
Hi
Just wanted to ask one question about Dreamlays if someone could answer me. They show results starting April 2007 using BFSP. As far as I remember, BFSP wasn’t available back then?
Daniel=> Also one of my main concerns. It’s quite easy to make a website with positive results for the time before going live and having members who would be very mad if the results did not match. I don’t know when Betfair introduced SP – Anyone knows that???
Right now I’m only testing to see how it goes but in my review which will come in the end of the trial periode I will have some things that I need answered from Dreamlays.
But just post your comments and concerns then I will email them later to the author if he does not answer in here
Right now this is not a review – We are only testing and then when it ends I will sum up
HI @ ALL
I am James from http://www.dreamlays.com.
We noticed there was a definite need for a truthful and honest service that generates consistent profits at REALISTIC BF PRICES and LOW PRICES.
Prices BEFORE BSP was introduced are calculated at +15%. That’s MORE then enough because we’re laying only LOW priced selections. Some of them are much lower then 15%. Since the beginning of BSP ONLY BSP prices have published. You can check them here: http://form.horseracing.betfair.com/
For any questions email us or post your comments here
Admin -> No more than a week! I found their record on racing-index, i posted here about dreamlays and the day that dreamlays accepted your challenge i became a member..! I hope for the best! It seems to be an honest service..!
@ Savvas,
Hey man, could you provide the link to the record of this service on Racing Index? I was unable to find it…
Thanks heaps!
Hi Admin,
Selections you have got for 21st October is supposed to be selections for 20th october
below are the odds comparison for 21st selection
bet placed 1 mins before the off
Yarmouth Mykingdomforahorse 3.55
Lingfield Battle 4.40
Hardik
I can tell you that this certainly does seem an honest website.
Their results history has been very accurate up to now.
Obviously that does not mean that it will win us any money but at least you know where you stand.
Yesterday’s LAY selection of Mykingdomforahorse which went on to win was certainly quite unique in that In-Running it traded at 1000.0
Obviously there is NO consolation knowing that you have laid a horse that went on to win which at some stage was traded at 1000. Apart from the fact that you did not lay it at 1000.
Hi Dreamlays
What are the staking based on to have the results that you show on your site?
Eric -> I found them from this link: http://www.racing-index.com/tipsters/tipster-performance.
If you click on the list you will find them. They have just started to proof their results to racing-index.
NOT a good day today (Wednesday)……WINNERS all over the place.
At least we will find out how “Honest” their results are.
One of their selections “Beat the Bell” was running in the 3:10 at Great Leighs and had an Industry S.P. of 11/4 which fits their criteria for a lay. However, the BetFair S.P. was a very large 5.36. They base their profit and loss on the BetFair S.P. So we should see a loss of -£436 for that race.
Almost in negative territory for this month now……
@ llama,
I’m sure that I’m missing something here… but doesn’t the Betfair SP of 5.36 make this horse a no bet according to their system?
Eric=> They say that you should monitor the regular SP (NOT the Betfair SP) and don’t bet if over 11/4.
They recommend if you can’t monitor it that you set a maximum of odds 4.2 in Betfair SP.
This is why I’m running 2 seperate results sheets.
I think Dreamlays back thier tips themselvs and at
times they may take a chance, you dont all ways
have to live by the ten comandments in life.
Horse racing is at times all about taking chances
so long as it’s not sticking a pin in it a 1/4 or
even 1/2 a point could be worth taking on, but you dont have to, keep to the rules if you like.i’m sure they do most of the time.
yours Robert
I am a professional gambler for my sins. I joined Dreamlays yesterday. The reason I did was simple.
I look at results. I look at long term results. The one single reason I join a service is honesty. It is quite apparent that they are being transparent with their selections. Once you assertain that that is so, then the rest is a no brainer. There can never be a guarantee of profits, but when I see a service that produces profit month after month, then I am interested. October may infact produce a loss, who knows….but you have to accept losses
in this game.
Andrew=> It looks like they are being transparent with their results, but they also know that someone is looking over their shoulders at the moment. The problem is that it is a quite new service and most of the “good results” are based on results before going live and you really can’t use these results for very much since everyone could make up some results.
I have asked for some more proof regarding earlier results.
I will only take into consideration the profits / loss they make when monitored independently since that is the only thing that counts.
I do not know when they went live, so that is sloppyness on my part. I have been using another service which I believe is ‘sister’ site, although that has yet to be confirmed by them (emailed yesterday to ask). I CAN vouch for the sister sites performance as I have been using it for some time, and the results are very good. I would be interested to know when DreamLays went live.
Hi admin,i may be able to help filter out some of
thier losers. you may or may not remember the book
winners back winners by a chap from Morecombe he has
passed on now you may be able to get your hands on it from ebay or the likes.In it is a formula for picking winners very good too used properly!however
i use it to lay, it filters out a lot of good stuff.
Loking at yesterday’s tips you would not have layd
any of thier losers and also some of thier winners
a profit would have been made.If you cant get hold of it give me your email addres and i will send the formula for you to try then you can pass it on in this forum. yours Robert.
I have to say, I am a pro gambler, but horses is not my field. Can I ask a dumb ass question….Where can you monitor regular SP prices? My silly head thought and SP was a starting price, ie one that was determined at the off!!!
Ok, just found my answer. It was a stupid question.
Doh!
Bit of a misnomer if you ask me. More like NightmareLays! Losing around 250 a day? Just how big is your bank, Admin?
Hi,fore those of you who seem to be at odds over
certain lay services i agree we have to watch
Dreamlays but dont give up too early.I also use ff
they lost yesterday and today after 13 winning lays
I’m sure they will get back on track.Their is also
another you all should try its called mayfiar racing http://www.mayfairracing.co.uk/layingservice.you will only get 2or3 a week £20 buys you 10 bets i am going to resubscribe as so far i have had no losing bets 10 out of 10 so look it up, you to admin.
yours Robert.
Jon=> I don’t use real money for this test (luckily)
Robert sounds interesting
Ok here we go the fine form master formula.
Flat/ N H
last two outings,current reason only.
1 5points each win
2 3points each second
3 2points each third
4 1point each fourh
previous
course winner (c) 1point
prev distance winner(d)2points
in the fisrt3 of betting 3points
in top 3 of form ratings 4points
The runner with the highest total of points is considered best in for that race.
Now i use this for laying, the horse with the lowest rating being the one to lay. Let me elabirate go with races of only 8 runers the prices are better/ tighter, rate up the first 3 in the betting make sure one is 12 or over the lowest i go 9 or less. also check the trainer stats and jockey stats look at tipsters to see how many fancy it look at previous races use the
R.POST i find it best. and that is it use it to find you own or to filter ff Dreamlays or any other system. yours Robert
Reason should be season sorry.
Robert,
I am interested in the Mayfair service. I am at work during the day and wondered how much warning you get to put your lay bets on – I normally check my email at lunch time. Thanks
If he sends any it will allways be thier by 12.00 am
all tips so far have been winning lays.
yours Robert.
Nice winning day for DreamLays on Saturday. I have discovered that there are links between this service and the service I have been using for nearly a year, which, by the way, has been very good indeed. Im now doing both.
Hi. Just a quick question: Isn’t it at bit difficult to get the correct results, when you don’t stick to the rules? Example from the 25th: Club Tahiti odds 4.50. This is listed as a “win”, but is .30 above the BF SP which are the recommended odds. At which odds do you stop? I can live with losing at odds of 2.xx, even 3.xx but when you start laying horses at 4.50, it starts to dig into your profits if you hit a horse that wins.
Any thoughts on my “quick” question?
Hi Alex
I stick to the rules recommended when you join. There it says that you should not lay it if regular SP is over 11/4 (3.75) Betfair SP can be quite higher. I quote it here from that point of view.
Another way to do it (which I think is better) is to set a Betfair SP of maximum 4.20 and then forget about the regular SP.
For sure, if you are laying live, as I do, you get an edge. Fact is, the site lists results at an inflated price (ie BF SP). My results are mirrored by the sites results exactly, apart from their losses. Mine are a bit lower, as i am laying live.
“I have discovered that there are links between this service and the service I have been using for nearly a year, which, by the way, has been very good indeed. Im now doing both.”
What service is that? Thx Frank
Andrew Moss…Is it the Itslaytime.com service? Im with both of them and they seem to be very similar.
Shaun, and anyone else who is interested. Yes, the other service is Itslaytime. Now, I didnt mention it because 1) Its not run by the same person. 2) they are having a bad month.
What I can tell you is that I have personally be doing the Itslaytime system for nearly a year. I have been following the service for nearly two years. I have made extreemly good profit.
The Itslaytime system is more complicated. I am just about to become an affiliate, so I have to show where my interests lay (!). What i hope to offer to people who become members through me is a support that goes beyond what the administrator of the site offers. Having done the system for some time (I currently lay £150 per selection) I can offer advice for a new member. I video each selection too and I keep them in a library.
By the way, my background is arbing. I have been arbing for nearly three years. fact is, with the recent money market squeeze, arbing has become harder. There is less fluctuation in prices. Itslaytime have provided me with a good top up to my funds in the bad arbing times.
I have no direct connection with either service. I do lay money using both services. I have over thrity years experience with using many many systems. Plain fact is, 99 percent I believe are poor. I came across Dreamlays by accident. having spoken to both administrators and understanding where they come from, I believe the results of both services. I believe the results of Itslaytime, as I have been doing it! I believe the reuslts of Dreamlays as I know about the connections between the services.
You can not look at short term profit / loss. I am interested in long term results. You can have a bad month, but if you have a good year, then that is what counts. Having said that, you need the capital to allow for fluctuations. Anyone starting a laying system, my advice is to keep the lays low, then build it up. Dont be in a hurry. Divide your bank by 50 and use each 50th as the lay. Minimum £500 bank, would mean £10 lay. After a month, hopefully you will be in profit and then divide the total by 50 and start again.
I should shut my mouth..!!!! Anyone else having problems getting todays selections? Still showing yesterdays for me (yes I have refreshed.)
I also can’t see them so therefore this day goes as a no bet day here in the test no matter if they come later.
Andrew, thanks for your response. you say there not run by the same person but I did some research and the IP addresses from both Its laytime and dreamlays suggest they are comin from the same computer. websites registered to same people…co-incedence? hmm technology says no. perhaps dreamlays can explain this and admin look into it too?
It appears that they both use an anonymous domain registry service… that allows website owners to easily keep private information out of the whois database such as phone numbers, physical addresses, etc. (not support contact numbers but personal numbers and information that many don’t want public) because in essence another company is registering the domain on their behalf.
I’m not certain, but that could possibly shed some light on both domains sharing like IPs and such.
Both services are profitable it seems, but out of curiosity mostly, I’ll be keeping my eyes here for a response from DreamLays. Interesting.
I follow this post with interest. Like Andrew i am a member of DREAMLAYS (for 3 months) and ITSLAYTIME (for over a year now) and i am 100% satisfied. I don’t care who is running the sites. Their results are the reason why i am on board. Anyway i’ve had no problem with yesterdays bets. As i know they are now proofing to the racing index and to racing proofing.
Cheers Mike
The IP address suggest its comming from the same
server, in Albany, upstate New york (nice place, have been there!). The resistration shows same
company, same registration date. I have asked and
they have told me they are friends and use a similar system. Quite frankly, I do not care, as long as both systems pay their way. To date, they are.
I did email them regarding the late selections
yesterday, but they are denying knowledge and
asking if I refreshed etc etc. I have 3 pc’s and
a lappy. They were not there.
Thing is, I am a straight forward guy. I like
transaparancy and honesty. thats all I ask for.
What a roller coaster ride it seems to be with profits now looking good for October. I also note that the sub is now £65 a month. Can we have an update re the trial please
Apologies – just seen selections were late or did not arrive? Bit of a worry when it was such a profitable day.
£1,738 got to give this lot some serious thought.
Any one out thier doing the same lousy job as me
i.e Taxi driving, will understand what i mean, come the new year car up for replaiting may give it all two fingers sick of giving owners £116 a week £100
fuel bill etc etc ect.Another good day on ff £946
and hopefully going up good luck to you all.
yours Robert.
This does seem a very “Honest” Company……
But it is a bit unfortunate that the one day when they did NOT place their selections up in time for the off was the day they came out with SEVEN selections. (October 29th).
These SEVEN horses then went on to LOSE their race.
Hello,
I can confirm that its lay time and dreamlays are run by the same person, i have had a 2 month subscription with its lay time and all was good untill there was a high priced winner at 12.0 (in the rules it says only lay between 6 and 13 on betfair) so it was within the odds,,when it won he did not list in his results as a winner, when i questioned him about it he ignored all my emails. Now i use ….
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Hi Andy,just had a look at GG they seem just as good
but different can,t expect admin to look in to all
systems so keep us all up to speed. I will keep an eye on them. Robert.
Hey guys,
I just signed up for itslaytime and am using the google spreadsheet app to keep daily records of the results online… If anyone would like to keep an eye on it until the service is eventually trialed here, I’ll be happy to give you access to view it online.
Shoot me an email and I’ll give you access.
mybetpicks at yahoo.com
Cheers.
Andy, can i ask what selection that was?
I see that you say you have been a member for
two months. I have been a member for nearly a year (Its Lay Time). I can say that their results since Feb 08 is accurate as I have watched every race and selection.
I have quite good comms with Its Lay Time, but I do have to wait for a day or two for a reply sometimes.
I have a few reservations, but when we are talking hard cash being put up for 10-1 shots on a lay, you do get sweaty palms.
I so much want both services to be transparent…
I am awaiting an email back regarding yesterdays
selection on Its Lay Time…its going to hurt,
as it was a large priced winner…..I will update when I get a response.
Mike……How do you feel today?
No, lets update that to….how do you feel NOW!
Hi Robert,
I will keep you updated with GG Racing, the only problem i have with them is that sometimes they take up to 3 days to update there website, but apart from that they are fine, the best bit being is they are always polite when replying to emails.
Hi Andrew Moss,
It was way back in May, my friend signed up with them (i dont have a paypal account) and we went halves on the subscription, because he gives you a username and password, so we both used the same account, i will ask Martin if he still has a record of the race in his database, as you are a member of itslaytime you will know that in his daily tips he will give a few selections and then say… only lay if its between 6 and 13 or in some races its between 3 and 13 depending on the race…then he goes on to say…if it drifts over 13 for a couple of mins then its a NO BET, well as i can remember the selection in question was 11.0 then 12.0 then 12.5 then back down to 11.0 and so on for about the last 2 mins before the off, and it went on to win the race, and all i can remember is he didnt list it in his results…and that was it for me im afraid, but everything was going good before that.
I will keep you posted…
A good day for DreamLays yesterday. 3 selections,
3 losses.
Andy,
I see the minimum price for gg lays has changed. Do you have any comments on this?
Andy….
All I can say is that I have been a memeber since the start of 2008, and I now keep a video record of all the races. I video all selections, 5 minutes before the start. Its Lay Time know this and they have asked me a few times to clarify when their system goes down. They use a programme to scan prices and it is accurate, but has been known not to work on the odd occasion, I think it is automated.
I work full time arbing and laying, and I ALWAYS
video the races. By that I mean video of Betfair prices in the form of screen capture, 5 minutes
before and the race too.
In order to look into this further, I would need to know the horse in question.
What I can say is that I have had two occasions
that i did not agree with ILT over selections.
One, I was wrong, and I saw it, once that I had discssed with them. The second one, which was
recently, they were wrong, BUT as soon as I pointed this out, they changed their results and
agreed with me. They were not sure at the time, as their programme did not work that day.
Now, I have made good money with its Lay Time in the last year. Recently, it has taken a dip. All
services do in the end. Fact is, over time it does make profit.
Right now, as we speak, it is a very bad time for them, but I am confident that it will turn around. Like I say, Im just a customer.
I would be interested in knowing which horse it was. Funny enough, I broke my leg badly, the night of the Champions League final, and I am a Chelsea fan. I ended up missing the match, but I also ended up missing the two winners in May,
because I was in hospital, had an opperation etc.
I can still look at the records though.
So, let me know which horse we are talking about and I shall look at it. I have to say that my own personal dealings with itslaytime has been good and they have been honest, even when it hurts.
The results are there to see.
It beats me why they run two services i woud’nt lay any thing over 4.5 just asking for trouble, so i think thier looking for two ends of the market keep
with Dreamlays or GG.com look good too.
Robert.
Hi Andy, yes they do seem to take their time, i look each day but they do make a profit sometimes very early in the month too, i think that has alot to do
with the qaulity of the racing tho. I may sign up
later in the month i am looking for another as well as FF Draem lays seem to give to many at times and i
dont like to lay that many befor racing however good they look. Robert.
Hi Peter,
They emailed all there members saying that they have a lot of horses that are just over the old recommened odds of 2\1 that went on to lose, so they have now changed it to 3\1 max odds..lets hope it works!!
they are having a bit of a slow month this month, but they always seem to get back on track.
Hi All,
I am going to post tomorrows selections from GG Racing here, i get them about 11pm the night before, but the lastest i have got them is about 11am the morning of racing. They had a good day today.
GG Racing Lays
NO BET if selection drifts over 4.0 on betfair
Selections for 06.11.08
Ling 1.20pm Rebecca De Winter
Ling 1.50pm Maid Of Ailsa
Towc 4.00pm Brukirk Lass
Hayd 4.10pm Alflora Dora
Glei 7.20pm Kind Heart
Glei 8.20pm Perfect Affair
Glei 8.50pm Debonnaire
Hi Robert,
In your last post you say you are looking for another system as well as ff, what is ff…is it another system,can you give me the website.
Andy
Robert, I do not believe that ILT and Dreamlays are
the same person / service. Hey, I may be wrong, but
thats my feeling and also what I have been told by them is that they are different people. Certainly, the style of emails are different.
The selections are interesting for one of the races tonight!!! Cant say which race, cant say which horse, but if you are a member, you will know what I mean. Will update on that tomorrow, when it becomes a result and therefore public domain.
THE RESULTS…I made a mistake earlier, there max odds is 4.5 not 4.0 sorry
GG Racing Lays
NO BET if selection drifts over 4.5 on betfair
Selections for 06.11.08
Ling 1.20pm Rebecca De Winter…WON 1.73
Ling 1.50pm Maid Of Ailsa…LOST 2.5
Towc 4.00pm Brukirk Lass… NO BET
Hayd 4.10pm Alflora Dora…LOST 4.2
Glei 7.20pm Kind Heart…LOST 3.1
Glei 8.20pm Perfect Affair… NR
Glei 8.50pm Debonnaire… WD
Another good day
Hi Andrew!
I am keen on your advice concerning tipps arround arbing/laying on horses. I would like to up the tempo in doing this (means bigger stakes, higher risk, more rewards). Got my hands already on the Itslaytime subscription and the Dreamlays). Looking at GG Racing Lay and their results, I find their odds quite strange (too low? compared to Betfair SP e.g.)
How can I contact you Andrew Moos?
Thx Frank
Hi All,
Can someone tell me how i can find out betfair starting price results, in other words proof that a horse was 3.2 bsp, at the start of the race.
Thanks
Andy
Frank,
Firstly, its Moss, as in the green stuff that
grows on the side of trees, not Moos, which is the
noise a cow makes, but no matter.
I can give any advice you wish on arbing, I personally feel I am very good at it.
As for upping the risk / reward thing…well, thats
up to you. The best advice I can give is to not rush and not be greedy, advice that is on ILT. Its good advice, especially when you are laying horses up to 12-1….it hurts. I hated losing a couple of grand on the last big winner. Mind you, I used to run a ‘real’ business and sometimes I used to lose
more than that on occasions. What counts is the long term. The bank needs to be big enough. For ILT, although they say 35 times stake, they do say at least. I personally like 50 times.
All this is just numbers. You stake 10 quid against and you can still count on a nice additional bit of money each month…most months.
The month that losses means no extra for a couple more…thats if history continues the way it has so far for ILT. I personally think that the bad results happening right now will happen from time to time. It could get worse….its not beyond the realms of possibility.
When did you join Frank?
wookiemaster@chameleon.bbmax.co.uk —if Im allowed to put it for contact???
Andy,
I am surprised that you have not let me know which horse it was that ILT did not update? If it were me and I had lost money and it did not appear on results, I would know the name of the horse. Infact I can quote all the horses I have lost large money on without even looking them up.
Get back to me and let me know which horse it was, I am quite keen on clearing it up.
Anyone interested, since this is a thread on DreamLays, good day. Was 700 quid up until the last selection won, but still well over 500 quid for the day. Thats actually the profit I made for the last 7 days…about 530 pounds…which is more than the official figure, as they quote Betfair SP prices and I manage to lay most at lower prices before the off.
I have no connection with DreamLays, just a customer at the moment, but pretty happy so far.
Having just read post number 64….how could anyone be serious about a system that changes its rules like that? !!!
Im posting too much, someone else have a go
Andrew F F is Fancy Fillys you will find them on this site. Robert
Andrew Moss..if you opened your eyes you would see that i was contacting a friend whos membership it was, he too dumped all the info to do with ILT, if you are happy with them then good for you, like i said it was back in may, i follow all kinds of systems, then as soon as they change there results, or dont list winners by saying it went over the odds in the last few seconds, then i bin them and move on to the next, if you know so much about ILT, then you will know that they also run http://www.free-profits.com which is another scam, and yes you are posting to much anyone would think you were in love with ILT….
I have been looking at all the posts here about Dreamlays and ILT, and i would like to say that, Dreamlays are in fact not being honest, they have not been running since April 2007, they have in fact been running since August 2008, so i dont know where they got all there past results from (BUT I MUST ADMIT THERE HAVING A GOOD RUN AT THE MOMENT). So if anyone says they have been a member before August 08 they are a liar and i will prove it…as for Andrew Moss and ILT everyone knows that his favorite trick is to give out lays and if they drift over the recommended odds there favorite saying is when we layed it the selection was within the recommended odds (if it lost) and if it won they would say it went over the recommended odds in the last few mins before the off…
Hi Robert,
Do you use the Fancy Fillys system.
Andy
Andy, i bought it but being a Taxi driver i have to be out early in the morning, so i found it difficult
looking at the comp at that time and later on you can find a few that are close in the betting,so i now subsrcibe to them for £25 a month. I do hope in the new year to be able to go through it my self.
You can trust them 100% so dont worry. Did i read you are a chelsea fan small wager Liverpool for the prem.
Hi Robert,
Thanks for the info, Im not a chelsea fan, i come from down south but now live in Spain, i did support Portsmouth but cant get to no matches now so i dont really follow it.
I had a taxi firm in uk for 18 years, only small!! 2 cars and 1 minibus, but we did have a couple of excellent school contracts, didnt really need anything else really, untill of course the 6 weeks summer holidays!!! my 2 sons run it now because me and the wife live in Spain and have a small pool cleaning business, it pays the bills!! i now have a lot of time to follow a good tipping service as i am home every afternoon by 1pm, might give them a try..
Andy
Andy,
I see gg lays are back on track. How long have you been with them? It concerns me that they do not seem to be proofing to any one so although I am thinking about joining, you are the one independent person who seems to have views.
Are there many bets which do not make the cut off price? It is difficult getting them all on at work if there are too many selections.
Thanks for your input so far it is very useful. Your lifestyle in Spain sounds very appealing!
Hi Peter,
I have been with GG Racing lays since the start (hes a friend) he does have a lot that goes over the odds, thats why he had to change to max 4.5 instead of 3.0, when people are paying for lay tips they tend to get a bit upset when they hardley get any due to the odds restriction, maybe he will give you a free trial, just send him an email
As for Spain its nice this time of year, but gets too hot in the summer, we are down near Malaga so its one of the hottest parts of Spain.
Andy,
I have to have my right to reply on this one.
Firstly, my eyes are wide open. I saw your posting and it quite openly says that you were sharing a subscription, which on its own is a little unfair to the ILT site in my opinion.
As to this winning horse that was not put up on their results page…..well, quite simply I do not believe you. The reason I do not believe you
is that YOU placed the posting regarding this FIRST and I was defending a service that I quite plainly KNOW for a fact has not be deceptive, at least since I joined in February 2008. I KNOW because I work full at home on my pc. I do EVERY race. I record every race.
As to my love of ILT, then I admit it, yes. Any service that has made me good profit in 9 months, I am going to love. Who wouldnt. I have made no secret of the fact that I would like to affiliate ILT and possibly Dreamlays.
I throw this challenge down to you……
It dosnt matter if you or your friend have dumped all the info regarding selections, money that was placed etc etc, because if you placed a lay bet on it, it will show up in your account with Betfair or whichever service you were using. You can simply go into ‘my account’ pull up all transactions for the month you know it was and look for any losses. Its easy to work it out from there.
I am quite well respected in arbing circles and I will stick my neck out and put my reputation on the line and tell you and everyone else reading this that there has not been ONE solitary single selection that won and has not been placed on
the results page.
ILT proof their results. I would not have joined them if they didnt. ILT take payments through normal means, such as debit card or the very respected paypal system. I would not use a service that did not. For example a service that
took only bank transfers or did not proof their
results.
Me thinks you do protest too much.
I did not start this as a personal slagging match,
but you seem to be turning into one. There can be only a couple of reasons for that.
Perhaps you should state where your interests lay here? Perhaps the fact that you live in Spain and I just did a search for GG racing Lays and …..oh, low and behold, bugger me sideways….it was registered from Spain. Perhaps we are talking to the owner of this site??
Me….I have NO CURRENT reasons for pushing ILT or DreamLays, as I have NO affiliation with either currrently. I have received no gifts, no freebies, no money, no word of thanks for any signups, I doont want one nor do I need one. I stand to gain nothing by telling people personally that I like both services.
This is a thread for DreamLays. I mentioned ILT BECAUSE it is a thread on Dreamlays and originally thought they might be run by the same person. I now know better.
This is not a thread for GG racing Lays.
Its easy to start a flame when the moderator is on holiday. Perhaps he can sift through this when he returns.
I expect a reply, in your usual vitrolic manner. I welcome it, because until you can come up with that horse and I prove you wrong, well you have no credibility with me and I would expect any one else with any sense.
Come on Andy, ask your mate to look at his account and give us that horse…it would make my day.
I didnt know about freeprofits. I have no knowledge of their service.
Jeff,
Thanks for the posting regarding Dreamlays. I do not know when they started, as the first time I
had heard of them was on this forum.
I am interested to know when they started, May I ask how we find out when they started?
As for the ILT drifting out prices….the system is not the easiest to understand at first. As far as I understand it and have been following is that the selection has to show between the odds shown for at least 120 seconds during the 5 minutes before the official off time. If it is well backed (they do give examples of how well backed on their home page) then it is a no bet.
If it goes beyond the price, but then comes back in, then you count the seconds and if it is 120 seconds or more, then it is a bet.
Their have been some close run prices…you know, do I lay dont I lay, but my rule has always been if I am not 100 percent sure, I leave it alone.
I have got it right apart from one at the beginning and it was my fault. I did mention this earlier.
Andrew Moss.
Well we are a little detective arnt we, are you sure that you should lay horses and not solve a murder crime instead, well let me point out that its a friend that runs the site, and we both live in Spain, well is that so STRANGE….
Hello Jeff,
In your post you mention ILT saying that if a selection is around about 12.5 on bf and it wins then they say it was a no bet because it went over in the last min, but if it loses they list it in there results, were you a member when this happened and has it happened on more than one occasion, i also think it is very strange that Dreamlays have been live since April 07 but have only just started to proof there results…VERY STRANGE!!!
Hi Andy
I live in Spain as well! Whereabouts are you? I´m south Costa Blanca near Torrevieja
Jon
Hi Jon,
I live in Alhaurin El Grande, Malaga, been out here a few years now, i have a small pool cleaning business and my wife runs a holiday complex..
Andy
To Andrew Moss.
You sound a proper idoit, i subscribed to ILT early March, and they are well know for changing their results, i am lucky that i didnt lose any money because i paper traded for the first few weeks, all i losted was the fee of 39.99
I had 2 arguments with them over not listing winners, it sounds to me that you are ILT the way you go on about them, as for dreamlays, their results do look good but only time will tell, they seem a bit too good to be true.
Bryan
sorry lost, not losted..post 91
I think we should all stick with Fancy Fillies,i,m
getting very confuesd,i dont know what to thing,
perhaps a good shot of whiskey will do the trick.
come on admin sort it out cant be doing with this
sound like a load of fillies. Robert
Regarding Dreamlays do they operate from New York,
know that does seem strange. Robert.
Hi Andy, is that holliday complex Los Floress (time
shear) i would love to get my hands on the bastard that sold one to me thier, perhaps he has now turned
to tipping horses sounds like it. Robert.
Hi Robert,
No need to get shirty with me, My wife runs La Casita holidays, so in other words no, but then again if you lost money then maybe you didnt do enough research so theres only one person to blame (a fool and his money are soon parted, i think thats how the saying goes) and dreamlays is not run from New York, The people that host there website is based in New York, i think its godaddy.com…
Yes it is getting out of hand now!!! this is my last post now, good luck to everyone who lays, hope you all make good money wether its ILT or DREAMLAYS…adios amigos
Hi All,
Please people can any one post fair view about DreamLay tiping service only??
Hardik
Hi All,
I will give a fair comment on Dreamlays,
1,They have shown very good profit since April 2007, but they have not proven it untill October..ask yourself why!!
2,There is question about them being linked to ILT, if they are then dont touch them with a barge pole.
3,Their system is very easy to work out it would take about 20 mins to get the selections each day, its all to do with percentage when viewing trainer and jockey stats on the racing post..i have picked the same selections as they have for the last 11 days using the same system, but where they get the results from ie months april 07 to september 08 is anyones guess, there site was created in April 07 but they went live on September 08, ask yourselves why, but its in front of me in black and white, Dreamlays have seen the posts here and yet they say nothing….and his name is Mark not James as re an earlier posting 10.
Im afraid to say that the site has got con stamped all over it, i would really love it if i was wrong, i would sign up for sure if they were for real results like that are amazing…too amazing, so come on Dreamlays be honest for christ sake..
To Bryan,
Fair comment!! lets see if they can explain why they started in April 07 but only started proofing in October 08, i mean if they were going that well they should of started proofing around about August 07 at least, it dosnt make sence..
Ok, dont really want to fuel the arguements here, but I do have the right to reply.
1) I am in St Ives, Cambridgeshire. Why you want to know, anybodies guess.
2) I didnt want to make any of this personal, but Andy I have to say if it is your friend who runs GG, then he spells the same words wrong on his site as you do on the forum. I just draw conclusions to what I see.
3) ILT, no its not me. But I have to dissagree (politely) with Bryan, because I honestly, truely
have been doing every selection of theirs since
February of this year. I can prove it, which is more than can be said of some comments here.
4) Im still waiting for the horse from Andy…come to think of it from anyone who states that ILT make false claims and results. I cannot prove any before Feb 08, but any after I can. Stick it in black and white here on the forum, I have results in details. I urge anyone to give information in black and white.
Look, I am not trying to anoy anyone here, but I do feel I have the right to defend or reply when I see something is patently wrong.
I am as interested as anyone else about any system that appears to be working. We all look for the con, of course we do, as most of us have been conned in the past. The mere fact that this thread has so many posts means that people are interested.
Although I am knowledgable in many areas, I have no idea how to find out when a site went live. Bryan, how is that info found? Not attacking you, just interested.
Bryan, sorry if you think I am an idiot. I can be. But the fact remains that I have been doing ILT since Feb 08 and we seem to have differing results. I layed every selection in March, including the two winners. Which ones were the ones you had problems with?
Andrew Moss,
you have lost the plot, i think you need some pills..
where have i ever in my posts asked where you lived,
This is about dreamlays so why are you banging on about ILT.
You are a bit weird.
Bryan=> Could you email the selection process you think Dreamlays are using so I can see if you are right
Maybe Glen would then be able to back test it.
Bryan,
Chill….it was Andy asking not yourself. Even if you think im an idiot, thats your personal opinion and you are entitled to it.
The admins suggestion is good.
Im Afraid not, work it out for yourself…
FROM NOW ON ALL THREADS NOT CONCERNING DREAMLAYS WILL BE DELETED (WILL NOT SHOW UP). SO PLEASE ONLY DEBATE DREAMLAYS IN THIS THREAD.
WE ARE ALSO NOT INTERESTED IN ANY MORE POSTS ABOUT WHERE SOMEONE LIVES ETC. stick to the topic!
Anyway thats my last post…its a shame it was a good site..
I have just decided to stop it now. This thread is about Dreamlays so please stick to discuss that then there are no problems
I would like to add to this thread that Andy and Bryan are the same person so please don’t put too much into what these “2 persons” has written.
Please also stay with one username!
So do we have a genuine appraisal of Dreamlays (DL) after all the posts above?
Can we really get to the bottom of when DL membership actually started becuase this would allow us to confirm actual proof of results rather than the claims dating back to April 2007?
Funny old thing where newly promoted services fail to deliver soon after!!
I will write my review when test has finished
Be patient 
Hi Deano,
I am afraid to say Deano that i havnt come acrossed one lay tipping service that has not at some stage fixed, fabricated or changed his/her results, and im sorry to say that DL are know different, the mere fact that for a service that has been running since April 07 have only just started to proof the results to Racing-index is beyond me.
Hi Mark,
I have asked DL (as I think the admin has too)
about the site and results, proofing etc. I did get an answer and full explination. I am guessing the admin did too? I am happy with their explination, but will leave it to admin and their summing up the review at the end. Even if you take the date at the point of going live, the results are good, in my opinion.
Hi Andrew
Can you send their answer to me so I can see it
Hi,
I have also asked them why, and this is what they said,.. racing-index couldn’t until recently show results at max 11/4 SP and BF SP results.
Depends if you believe them or not!
Well this is more like it, true results at last…
I think dreamlays are beginning to go through the floor look at their site -£1,140 down that will take some geting back.
I’m 100% sure Dreamlays and Itslaytime are from the same operator. I’m also 90% certain that Dreamlays is a scam.
One thing i do like about dreamlays is they have a very clear, well explained website, 10 out of 10 for that.
Mark, does this mean that you now accept that the results on Dreamlays are true and accurate?
Robert, today was a good day for DreamLays. It is not unusual for results to have runs, both good and bad. It is the long term that is important. Take a look back at their results, even to where they have been proofed and you will see bad runs just like the one you have just seen. Long term is the key.
I was impressed with the fact that the bad results
were updated quicker than when they have good results.
Johny, what makes you 100 percent sure? Not wanting to start an arguement, but more defending here again, as I know that you are wrong. I also hate to see slanderous comments banded about without any evidence being shown.
I am sure it is very upsetting to the owners of the services to see all these attacks. Quite frankly, I always look at attacks on people without justification as a weak minded action.
TALK IS CHEAP. Please provide the evidence.
One thing that we can be sure of here is that one person has pretended to be several people. That person has his own agenda, albeit a malicious one. That in itself shows total weakness, as if you can not win an arguement fairly, then it does not matter how many people someone tries to be, they are still the same.
Actually, this is not slander, is it infact, in legal terms, defamtion as it is in written form.
You should be careful about defamtion, as most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism.
Sorry admin, but I have a better grasp of English than the owner of Dreamlays and I offered to defend their name without recompense. Please do not view this as an attack on anything other than claims made by a certain person or people. I am merely defending.
Andrew,
Looking at the sites, they may be the same person, who knows, who cares! what i would like is a tipster out there who is honest with results and we will have to wait and see, dreamlays if true are one of the best iv seen for past results..if anyone has a website then its simple send both an email and when they reply check the ipx, if you have a website you can even see which country they come from and allsorts, there is talk that they are in u.s.a, oz and uk.
To me it wont matter if they are from MARS as long as the results are good
To Johny,
Even if they are the same person, both websites look very good one showing 29,000 and the other 40,000, in fact i would be quite proud of owning both websites, and i wouldnt keep it a secret.
To Andrew,
your awnser to post 120, not saying i believe or dis-believe at the moment, i like the way that they list BSP and even when a 11\4 goes way out to 5.25 bsp and WINS!! they still put it in their results, so they are not trying to hide nothing.
Above you can see this: “Total profit/loss: -489″
How did you calculate this? According to your trades, till date there is a loss of -1848 or -18,48 pts. Are you actively doing this or copy just to results of their tipster proofed results via Betfair SP?
Frank
The profit and loss should be right (but I can of course have counted wrong which I don’t hope. Please see that while I was on vacation there was a good winning run. I did not add in all the selections due to a lot of work when I got back, so only added in the result in that periode.
Hi Andrew,
Have you joined dreamlays, and from which date can you confirm that there results are accurate, i know that the whole of November are true..
yeah!!! sounds like you spoke to soon
I think it was Jon who called it Nightmare Lays hehe
Lets give them a chance, you cant base a good lay adviser on one bad month anyway, lets review their results in march 2009 by then you will have more of a picture..
March 2009? Probably won’t have a bank left by then!
Jon
People who lay should always have a very large betting bank, i have always used 400 x my stake starting off with only 5.00 per lay and then increase by 10% as your bank increases, untill i reach 50.00 per lay and i never lay more than 50.00 per lay…
That is a good verdict on this tipster. A betting bank depends on your staking system and on the average lay odds (and max. lay odds). 400x is a very large amount
Hey all, I have had contact with a rival lay tipster, of Dreamlays, and this is what he said….The 40,000 worth of FAKE results were made up just to give them a very large start so if they do have a few losing months it will not affect how good they look, they went live in September 08 NOT April 07, although they had the website made and went live in April 07 the site was not updated with results untill September 08….and they are just having another website made now, proberly to go live in about 10 months time, with another load of fake results..
do i believe this? well im not sure, but it makes you wonder… you can email him yourself at alanfisher70@gmail.com
I wonder are we now seeing their true colours?.A big
difference now their being monitored.
Robert.
Admin,can you please put up their results for November. Big lose that month and December is looking no better. Robert
Maybe in Jan we’ll all be singing happy days are here again, not me though happy with FF.
YOURS Robert.
Please see result from september. When i start to look for this service. I think it’s a scam service.
The second point :
This people lay at SP, so there is no problem about liquidity. Why share this service ? He can bet 1000 instead of 100.
I think that all lay service gain with member fee and not with their selection.
I’m a lay tipster, and i don’t sell o share my service or selection. There is a lot of factor that influence the lay.
Please stay so far from laying service. Not only dreamlays but all laying service.
Happy new year
1bit is an asshole and a scum.. Dreamlays are nothing but a bunch of thieving bastards.